Episode 20
EP020: Decoding Leadership: Leading with Soul Power & Authentic Leadership
On this episode of The Initiatrix, Sinéad interviews her friend and Anam Cara - Joanne Burke - Ignited Soul Coach and Mentor.
They speak into the concept of Leadership, particularly in its contemporary interpretation, necessitates a profound understanding of the interplay between individual agency and collective responsibility. In this discourse, we scrutinize the multifaceted relationship between leadership and spirituality, particularly how one’s divine connection influences their leadership style and efficacy. We explore the concept of the "ignited soul," a term that encapsulates the intrinsic motivation and passion that drives individuals to embrace their authentic selves and lead with intention. Furthermore, we delve into the illusions of separation that often pervade the human experience, particularly within leadership frameworks, and consider how these illusions inhibit true connection and collaboration. Ultimately, this conversation invites listeners to reconsider their understanding of leadership as a deeply relational and transformative journey, rather than a solitary path marked by accolades and authority.
Takeaways:
- The concept of the ignited soul
- Leadership transcends traditional corporate structures, advocating for a model where individuals lead alongside one another, fostering a collective journey toward personal and communal growth.
- The discussion emphasises the importance of redefining one's relationship with the divine, moving beyond conventional perceptions and embracing a more personal understanding of God.
- Self-acceptance is a pivotal theme, with a focus on prioritizing one's own needs and desires, challenging the societal conditioning that equates self-care with selfishness.
- Navigating the complexities of leadership requires individuals to reflect on their authenticity, especially when the public persona diverges from their private struggles.
- The episode underscores the necessity of embracing vulnerability and authenticity in leadership roles, as these qualities foster deeper connections and influence within a community.
Links referenced in this episode:
Joanne Burke is a guide, a coach and mentor for women ready to ignite their truth and embody their full Magnificence. With a presence that activates and a frequency that calls forth deep transformation and wisdom, she guides visionary women into unwavering self-knowing, power, and Soul-aligned expression.
Through Redefined, Magnificence, and her signature activations, Joanne facilitates profound identity shifts, moving women beyond self-doubt and external validation into a state of deep knowing, trust and embodied presence of Self. Her work isn’t about adding more; it’s about letting go of everything that isn’t truly you, so you move through life and leadership in full expression, sovereignty, and power.
If you’re a woman who’s invested deeply in her evolution, Joanne meets you at the edge of your becoming, guiding you into the next, truest, most powerful version of yourself.
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/joanne.burk
Transcript
Welcome to another episode of the Initiatrix.
Speaker A:I don't know why I start episodes like this when I've got guests on.
Speaker A:I feel like I have to go all formal, so I'm gonna fling that out the window and just introduce you to my wonderful guest, Joanne Burke.
Speaker A:Joanne is a very close friend and sister, and she's also an incredible coach and mentor.
Speaker A:And I'm feeling all this emotion all of a sudden coming up to the surface.
Speaker A:I don't know why.
Speaker A:Is this mine?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Please introduce yourself to everyone that is listening and let everyone know who you are and what it is that you do and who you be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Thank you, Sinead.
Speaker B:I love being here.
Speaker B:And as you said, my name is Joanne Burke.
Speaker B:I'm a coach and mentor of women who are ready to ignite their soul and live their life from that place.
Speaker B:I've moved through my own many initiations of that over and over and over.
Speaker B:And I know the intensity that this kind of work can bring and the magic that it can bring.
Speaker B:And who I be is the woman who is now ready to go all in on her own life and take full responsibility for that and be in gratitude for the women that I have walking with me in that new being one of those women.
Speaker B:So thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:What is the ignited soul?
Speaker A:This is a concept that I've seen you speaking about for, I don't know how long we've been in each other's lives.
Speaker A:I know that we met on Facebook and then met in person, because Joanne's literally up the road from me in Salt Hill in Galway, and I've seen you talking about this concept of ignited soul, and I'm curious to learn.
Speaker A:What does it mean for you and how do you define it for people that might not necessarily know what it is for them?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I'm actually just writing about this at the moment.
Speaker B:I was just doing a post that's kind of connected to that question, but to give a little bit of backstory so that it makes sense is that I spent a really long time in the self development and in the spiritual development world learning lots of things, going on retreats, meditating, all of these things, but not believing truly.
Speaker B:There was a fear that I was not any of those things.
Speaker B:And it made.
Speaker B:It created this identity around myself where I didn't move on what I wanted to move on.
Speaker B:I had all of these boundaries around myself.
Speaker B:And what I'm.
Speaker B:What I realized along the way, and what I'm really realizing more and more every day is that an ignited soul and we are each an ignited soul.
Speaker B:It's that, it's that fire within ourselves, that aliveness that's within ourselves that will not let us give up.
Speaker B:It's going to continue to drop ideas, opportunities, failures, successes, all of it experiences, so that we keep moving, so that we can keep remembering who it is that we truly are until we choose to choose back.
Speaker B:And then when that happens, for me at least, and for others that I've seen, ignition happens and the soul comes in, there's more space, we can move in a different way.
Speaker B:And so to be an ignited soul is to allow your soul to be alive in you, because that is really who we all are.
Speaker A:I'm just taking a moment and allowing for that to land because there's a lot of energy around what you've just spoken into.
Speaker A:And it's a concept that I know the audience that listen to this, they're very much kind of connecting with what you're saying.
Speaker A:But it's actually the transmission that you are bringing out into the world right now through your words and through your voice that I'm inviting them to connect into because I can feel it.
Speaker A:And it's so deeply ingrained and landed in your being that it's literally just emanating from you.
Speaker A:This is like the, the inner Phoenix rising.
Speaker A:That's what I'm seeing and that's what I'm sensing.
Speaker A:So just want to pause and breathe and just let everyone receive that.
Speaker A:It's interesting because so many people, myself included, have felt at some time in their life separate from everyone else, feeling like they don't belong, feeling like they're a misfit, feeling like they're different from everyone else.
Speaker A:And you use the word like creating boundaries.
Speaker A:And what was coming through as you spoke, that word was, are we creating barriers, blockades, like armor around ourselves to prevent ourselves from getting hurt?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And what I've realized, especially recently with those barriers, it was to keep people out, but it was also keeping the God self out as well, you know, so it's kind of multifaceted and just this very strange self protective mechanism that we love to, to play with.
Speaker A:And that's the thing that I've come to realize myself is that separation is an illusion because not one of us is separate from the other.
Speaker A:We're all reflections and emanations of our internal world.
Speaker A:Like it's literally frequency meets frequency.
Speaker A:There's a resonance there.
Speaker A:Not one person in your life is there by chance.
Speaker A:There is something there for you.
Speaker A:There's gold in your relationship.
Speaker A:There's gold in all of our relationships.
Speaker A:And so perhaps when you are in that space, and for me as well, when we start this journey, it's like it's all new and it does feel separate from us.
Speaker A:And we're also conditioned to believe that there's something wrong with us.
Speaker A:So we're going in with all of our wounding, all of our baggage, all of our.
Speaker A:I need fixing, I'm wrong, I'm a problem, I need to sort myself out.
Speaker A:And we're looking for salvation in those spaces.
Speaker A:This is my personal experience as well.
Speaker A:And when we're coming from that space of I need saving and I'm looking for salvation, of course we're going to feel separate.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, I really agree with that.
Speaker B:And it was at some stage last year that I really realized, and I think I probably shared this with you at the time or sometime after that, you know, growing up Catholic.
Speaker B:And I think in many religions anyway, that it's.
Speaker B:It's only the chosen ones that get to be divine or get to be special or whatever.
Speaker B:And I live my whole life wondering when was God going to choose me?
Speaker B:When was the universe going to choose me?
Speaker B:And at some stage last year, I just realizes that I'm chosen.
Speaker B:We're chosen.
Speaker B:Our job is to choose back.
Speaker B:And when we make that choice, things really begin to shift for us because we remember then we're not separate.
Speaker B:We don't need those boundaries.
Speaker B:We don't need the barriers.
Speaker B:And it can take a little bit of time to deconstruct them as well.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker A:I'm glad that you are speaking into this, the chosen one, the Catholicism God, because this is language, even the word God, there's certain connotations, stigmas, and all the rest of the conditioning and programming around that word, regardless of what it means.
Speaker A:And for each.
Speaker A:It's my belief that it can mean different things for different people.
Speaker A:It doesn't.
Speaker A:We don't all have to buy into the same kind of concept of what.
Speaker A:Or construct of what God is.
Speaker A:But just the Word in and of itself can create so much.
Speaker A:So much activation, especially when we're still kind of.
Speaker A:We haven't necessarily looked at religion.
Speaker A:We haven't looked at religious programming or the doctrination that actually brings through and so many people that I have met.
Speaker A:And for myself, it's like, I don't want to use the word God.
Speaker A:Like, I remember.
Speaker A:I remember my daughter going through her first Holy Communion.
Speaker A:And this is when I was kind of really into tarot cards and really into Crystals and all of the things.
Speaker A:And I had to do this course to ensure that she was able to do her first Holy Communion.
Speaker A:And so I sat in this circle with all the other parents.
Speaker A:And on the video in front of me, tarot cards are the devil's work.
Speaker A:They're evil.
Speaker A:They're this, they're that.
Speaker A:And I'm like, what the fuck am I doing this?
Speaker A:I don't want to be talking.
Speaker A:I'm Catholic as well.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I'm baptized Catholic.
Speaker A:I'm not a practicing Catholic, just to be very clear.
Speaker A:And so sitting in that room at that time, like, all of the stuff came up for me, it's like, made me question everything that I'd ever believed in.
Speaker A:Even, like, with tarot cards and stuff like that, which I'm completely like, I've kind of moved away from all of that new, New age stuff as well.
Speaker A:And so I'm curious, like, for somebody who's listening to this, that might be resonating with what I'm sharing and with what you said.
Speaker A:Tell me more about what it means to recreate and redefine your relationship with God.
Speaker A:With God's self was the term that you used earlier.
Speaker A:And like, what is the stuff?
Speaker A:What is it that you experience?
Speaker A:What is it the.
Speaker A:That you had to.
Speaker A:Okay, might not be, but, you know, what is it?
Speaker B:Yeah, it was definitely.
Speaker B:There was a lot of.
Speaker B:Along the way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I'm always speaking truth, so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, I think even being raised Catholic and even with all the indoctrination that came along with that, underneath it all, it still instilled within me a knowing of God.
Speaker B:It just was a distorted knowing.
Speaker B:And I think having that thread of that run through me helped me in a sense and yet hindered me.
Speaker B:But what I have found has really served me the most in redefining that relationship, in reclaiming that relationship of who I truly am, is being in the stillness of it and really sitting with myself and being with myself and allowing the energy of that to just become awake in me.
Speaker B:I was doing four or five hours of meditation every day with.
Speaker B:With other teachers.
Speaker B:I was having an amazing, amazing experiences at time, at times, but the separation was still there.
Speaker B:It was still somebody else doing it for me.
Speaker B:And I was blessed to have a really amazing teacher come into my life in the last year or so who has been a guide back into this.
Speaker B:What it truly means as a woman who was also a Catholic and had her own stuff with that.
Speaker B:But what it means to speak as the God self, to be the God Self and to recreate and redefine that relationship that we can.
Speaker B:It can be anything we want it to be.
Speaker B:And yet at its very core, it just feels peaceful and it feels powerful and feels like truth.
Speaker B:And it's not always easy to be in it because life is life.
Speaker B:And we still.
Speaker B:I still have the conditioning of, you know, I'm still letting go of who am I to think that I can be at the level of the God self, when really that's the truth of who we all are.
Speaker B:And there's in.
Speaker B:In relation to the.
Speaker B:I don't even know where to begin with that.
Speaker B:It's like there's.
Speaker B:Even as an acupuncturist, I would have heard through my father, who's very Catholic, people saying to him that I'm doing the devil's work because I'm doing acupuncture, you know, so even as something as simplistic as that, I had to navigate being told and that this was a really painful thing to hear from my dad because we were very close that be cut.
Speaker B:No matter what I ever did, it would never be good enough because I wasn't claiming my Catholic faith.
Speaker B:And that was really hard.
Speaker B:And it was something I had to navigate and we had to navigate together.
Speaker B:So even coming back to that and yet knowing that he just doesn't remember in the same way I do, I needed to let that be the way it is.
Speaker B:And being able to have conversations like these has also been a huge part of it.
Speaker B:And just allowing myself to unfold into it without trying to push or force, which can be something we often want to do.
Speaker A:I love what you've shared.
Speaker A:And so often I think you.
Speaker A:You coming.
Speaker A:So for me, like the God self and God feels like home.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's nothing that you're required to be or do or say or.
Speaker A:There's nothing that you need to change.
Speaker A:There's nothing you need to fix.
Speaker A:Literally how we started this conversation.
Speaker A:And it's just about embracing all of who you are.
Speaker A:And it's your I am presence.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:That's how I see it and feel it.
Speaker A:And for me, God has always been a masculine energy.
Speaker A:And this is where the illusion of separation comes in, is because we think that we're separate from everyone outside of us.
Speaker A:And we also feel that we're separate from the divine through this indoctrination and programming and everything else.
Speaker A:And also it is coming home to the Father.
Speaker A:The Father energy and mother.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so for you to be able to navigate all of that with your own Father to have conversations, to move through that, to come to an understanding.
Speaker A:It might not be agreeable, agreeing to disagree, whatever it is for you or whatever your experience is, but that's so beautiful.
Speaker A:And I think that that's literally what happens is that as young girls, as young women and you know, evolving into older women, there's.
Speaker A:I see this as.
Speaker A:There's kind of two types of relationships that we can have with our fathers.
Speaker A:One that's very, very close and then one that's completely disconnected.
Speaker A:Yeah, I've never actually seen something that feels kind of in between.
Speaker A:Of course there could be.
Speaker A:I'm not trying to bunch everyone into this or that, you know, that kind of a thing, but it's what I've seen.
Speaker A:And to come back to home, to be in.
Speaker A:It's almost like you're coming into center.
Speaker A:You're coming into that detachment of what other people are thinking, what other people believe about you, Judgment of yourself, judgment of others, and just really coming into the truth of who you are, which is pure love.
Speaker A:And then to actually allow that masculine energy in, in that way, for me personally as well, it doesn't always just come through like father relationship, it will come through money, it will come through partner relationship, it will come through relationships with male friends.
Speaker A:It will come through the internal masculine.
Speaker A:So literally, how comfortable are you to actually activate your internal masculine.
Speaker A:To be in union with the feminine and masculine essence of yourself?
Speaker A:Really going deep here.
Speaker A:I'm just going for the flow of what's coming through.
Speaker A:But it really, I think it's really just about recognizing that God is, is mother, father, lover, brother, sister, friend, you, I, we, it's all of it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's love.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you know, at the end of the day, words fail us for what it truly is because it's, it's a, it's a frequency, it's a feeling, it's a, all of these things.
Speaker B:And we do our best to put words on it, you know, and what I, what I am really loving about it is that we get to be the source of our own definition from that place.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:We get to redefine ourselves.
Speaker B:We get to reclaim our own identity and do so consciously instead of trying to move through life from these ownership conscious identities that were placed on us and that we took on on a certain level.
Speaker B:That that is what I'm enjoying most about it and seeing myself and seeing others in that way.
Speaker B:And with that I am presence, we can claim anything about ourselves.
Speaker B:It's just we're so used to claiming Limited things and like acceptable things of that.
Speaker A:Acceptable to whom?
Speaker A:That's the thing.
Speaker A:Well, that's it.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It's interesting because you speak of identity a lot in your work and it's something that I.
Speaker A:It's not that I'm choosing to struggle to grasp the concept.
Speaker A:It's almost as if for me, it doesn't feel resonant anymore because I feel like identity is still keeping us in separation.
Speaker A:Like, for me, when I see the word and feel into the word, the resonance and frequency of the word, it doesn't have to be the same for you, but for me, it still feels like I'm limiting myself in one in some way because I don't want to be an identity.
Speaker A:I want to be an all that is, I want all encompassing, I want all of it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so for me, like, just as I tune into the frequency of the word, it's just.
Speaker A:It doesn't sit anymore.
Speaker A:It used to, and there's no, no wrong or right around this, but it's just.
Speaker A:It just doesn't sit for me.
Speaker A:And I love that you.
Speaker A:That's the way that you, like, it really sits well with you, and it's a way that you can connect and move through the world and work with your clients in that way.
Speaker A:And I think it's a concept that is familiar to so many.
Speaker A:For me, when I think about identity, it's almost like a different mask I have to put on or a different, different, I don't know, clothing I have to wear each day.
Speaker A:That's the way that I experience it.
Speaker A:How do you experience it?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I mean, it comes back also to the words can fail us at times.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And what you said is that identity is familiar.
Speaker B:It's a familiar term with a lot of people now.
Speaker B:And how I see it is, is that.
Speaker B:And me choosing to use the word is because we are all connected and yet we are here in singularity too.
Speaker B:And for me, how I feel about identity and how it feels for me is I choose to be who I want to be.
Speaker B:This is my identity.
Speaker B:This is what I am claiming for myself.
Speaker B:You know, we are.
Speaker B:We are egoic human souls anyway, and our ego is the identity.
Speaker B:So let's define that aspect of ourselves through our own choosing.
Speaker B:And at the end of the day, it's about the feeling of the work and it's about the frequency of the work.
Speaker B:And that for me is what's important.
Speaker B:Sometimes labels are required and that's kind of what happens.
Speaker B:But, you know, identity for me resonates for now.
Speaker B:It may not in the future, like it has changed for you.
Speaker B:It may not resonate any longer.
Speaker B:But for me, identity is of my choosing now, claiming it in sovereignty and in freedom for myself, and then that.
Speaker A:And I'm really delighted that this conversation has come through to speak into, because I'm going to circle back to the terminology in the term of God.
Speaker A:It's about your choosing.
Speaker A:It's about your sovereign choice.
Speaker A:It's about what do you want to believe, what do you want to feel, what do you want to accept?
Speaker A:What do you choose?
Speaker A:Not what everybody else has told you through lifetimes and lineages, through ancestral stuff, through Catholicism, through programming, but.
Speaker A:And, you know, dogma, religious dogma.
Speaker A:But what is it that you want?
Speaker A:What is it that you want to believe?
Speaker A:Because you get to believe and choose differently.
Speaker A:That's your sovereign right.
Speaker A:That's your free will.
Speaker A:And you get to engage that whenever you want.
Speaker A:You don't have to go along with what everybody else thinks and feels and says.
Speaker A:You get to be.
Speaker A:And this is where the separation comes in.
Speaker A:Is that what you're saying?
Speaker A:It's like we are.
Speaker A:I am.
Speaker A:You know, and we are.
Speaker A:So it's, you know, knowing that you are separate and you also are together.
Speaker A:So this is.
Speaker A:There's a union there.
Speaker A:There's a unity, and there's also like a trinity.
Speaker A:For me, it feels like trinity.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I love this.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Talk to me about leadership.
Speaker A:How does this weave into the concept of leadership?
Speaker A:I've been talking about leadership a lot on the podcast recently.
Speaker A:I recently interviewed another friend of mine, and we were talking about what leadership is and what leadership isn't and how we're defining.
Speaker A:Defining it and how it's kind of on brand at the moment for everyone and all and sundry to call themselves a leader and position themselves as a leader.
Speaker A:So what is your relationship with the word leader and leadership?
Speaker A:And how does it weave into the work that you do?
Speaker A:The ignited soul?
Speaker B:That's a really good question.
Speaker B:What way do I want to say it?
Speaker B:Leadership for me is being willing to forge a path for yourself and for your own life and to be the one to show the way for others if the similar path is there for them, if that's calling to them.
Speaker B:I think leadership, maybe in the corporate world has a very different meaning.
Speaker B:That we all think is the same, is that I'm the leader, you do what I tell you, and we'll all be okay.
Speaker B:And if you don't do that, then you're out.
Speaker B:Whereas I see this new way of truly leading.
Speaker B:It comes with leading yourself first through the greatness and through all the shit that comes along with that.
Speaker B:I'm being willing to walk side by side with others who are leading in their own way because we, we lead together.
Speaker B:We're all leading ourselves home anyway.
Speaker B:So let's, let's do it together.
Speaker B:So, and, and also it's claiming yourself as your own leader, choosing back, you know, choosing back.
Speaker B:So I think just in, in that's what I say about leadership at the moment.
Speaker B:And as we see how the conversation.
Speaker A:Develops, which is very much what was spoken into in the last conversation, in the, the last interview that I had was walking shoulder to shoulder versus one in front of the other.
Speaker A:And we are all walking together is coming back into that unity, that trinity of, you know, walking together.
Speaker A:And it is very different in the corporate world.
Speaker A:It is very like I say jump and you say how high?
Speaker A:That's what leadership is.
Speaker A:Your leadership is marked by your level of achievement, your accolades, your certifications, how much money you're making, how much money you're making the firm, how influential and manipulative.
Speaker A:Really, truth be known, you can be to get people to do what you want them to do.
Speaker A:And it's not, it's performative.
Speaker A:And what we're speaking into is not only multi dimensional, but it's connective, it's connecting, it's connection.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's really riding that wave or that frequency of truth.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because there are going to be times when you're choosing to lead in this way where you need a hand at your back to keep going.
Speaker B:And you know, that's the truth of it.
Speaker B:It's, we can, we can always lead ourselves, but then to have somebody else beside you as you're doing so that frequency of truth is I need to lean in or you lean in.
Speaker B:I've got you, whatever it might be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which really brings me to this concept of.
Speaker A:And I don't know where the connection is and why this is coming through.
Speaker A:This is not something that I've really kind of merged together before.
Speaker A:But what I'm kind of thinking about is it's lonely at the top and that leadership is quite lonely in the way that it's been taught and shared in the world.
Speaker A:And so it's almost like pedestalizing people thinking that you have to lose something, lose someone, that you're never going to be accepted.
Speaker A:And we're coming like doing this full circle back to the Separation and that, that's not this new pat, for one of a better term, this new paradigm of leadership with it, which is about togetherness.
Speaker A:And so we're kind of recognizing that there are, as I said, this multi dimensional depth to leadership.
Speaker A:There is this concept, concept and construct that we already know about that it's in the corporate world that everybody's kind of got their ideas around.
Speaker A:And it does feel, as I'm tuning into the energy of what we're speaking into the consciousness of it all as well.
Speaker A:It's like it does feel lonely.
Speaker A:It does feel that that's the way it's been.
Speaker A:We've been programmed and conditioned to believe that leadership is lonely and that you have to forge forward and that you have to forge the path and that you have and then everybody follows behind you.
Speaker A:And so of course it's going to feel like you're lonely and that you're doing it on your own.
Speaker A:And this is where the, you know, the, the Taipei high achieving people come from.
Speaker A:You know, the lone wolf, all of this stuff.
Speaker A:And so what we're doing is bringing it all the way back, like grounding it almost.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Into the body so that it's embodied and also in, in.
Speaker A:It's almost like we're bringing heart into it.
Speaker A:And the, and the heart center is multi dimensional anyway, as is the body.
Speaker A:And so it's like bringing it all the way back down into the earthly plane, for want of a better word.
Speaker A:Like all of this stuff is coming through just as we're speaking.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think that's really coming back to why we are here.
Speaker B:We're not really meant to be out in the ethers doing things.
Speaker B:We're meant to be here, living, embodied.
Speaker B:So our soul has an embodied experience.
Speaker B:That's why we came here.
Speaker B:You know, supposedly I believe that, but supposedly, you know, and it's, it's, it is what you said really bringing it back, really grounding it back in.
Speaker B:And I remember having this wonderful conversation with a woman I used to know when we were speaking about really living a life of greatness and you know, and speaking to leadership as well, leading ourselves on this kind of way and moving with others in the process that our soul gets to go on as far as we know, it gets to experience infinitely, but our human self doesn't, as far as we know.
Speaker B:And what would it be like to create a life where your human has the best possible experience ever and to go out with those kind of fireworks instead of wishing, hoping, regretting and to lead ourselves in that kind of life where our human gets every bit of life squeezed, you know, all the juice.
Speaker A:Comes out, losing the juice out of life.
Speaker A:That's something that I like to say.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So how do we bring this?
Speaker A:Okay, say that somebody's at home listening to this.
Speaker A:They're kind of in a spiritual closet per se, maybe, maybe not.
Speaker A:And they're recognizing that in a corporate world, I don't know why I'm bringing this.
Speaker A:There's definitely going to be someone listening to this that needs to hear it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Moving in the corporate world or something along that lines.
Speaker A:Those lines.
Speaker A:And they're recognizing that leadership doesn't feel like it should anymore.
Speaker A:And so how do we weave what we're speaking into into that environment?
Speaker A:How do we bring that into that environment?
Speaker A:How do we land the plane of this?
Speaker A:Again, it's indoctrination.
Speaker A:This is what leadership should look like.
Speaker A:This is what you're supposed to do.
Speaker A:This is how you're supposed to lead all of this programming and conditioning around that.
Speaker A:How do we actually weave what we're speaking into, which is heart centered, embodied, grounded, present, multi dimensional leadership into an environment that is.
Speaker A:Whatever it is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What comes to mind as you're saying that is, I think for any person listening to this, it's the choosing for themselves first, that they lead themselves first.
Speaker B:And to begin going into their world with that and allowing it to just influence their environment and just respond to that in a certain way.
Speaker B:Because if you go in saying, okay, I want to be a heartfelt leader, I want to do it this way and that way, you're going to get funny looks, most likely, and you're going to get, you know, you might need to leave, but, but to do it from a very conscious and internal way and to see how that influences their own environment and to start dropping little seeds in, you know, having conversations, giving ideas and seeing how that moves differently.
Speaker B:Because I think, you know, even everything is changing.
Speaker B:I think an awful lot of people are much more open to a new way.
Speaker B:And so anyone who's feeling the pull or the call to something like this, just start playing with it and start experimenting.
Speaker B:And when the time comes for somebody to leap, they'll have planted enough seeds to do so, most likely.
Speaker A:I've been toying with this concept of leadership being a frequency.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And so if it's a frequency, is it, is it, is it necessary for us to plant seeds?
Speaker A:Is it necessary for us to do anything?
Speaker A:Or is it more about being that frequency and allowing the frequency and energy to Be enough to have the ripple of impact that we can intend it to have or maybe not intended to have.
Speaker A:Because obviously everybody has their own journey.
Speaker A:Everybody has their own, you know, moments.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And is it simply enough for us to stay in our own lane, to embody the frequency, to lead in the way that we want to lead, to show up as the truth of who we are in every single environment, no matter what is going on around us.
Speaker A:And allowing that to be enough to influence or not influence.
Speaker A:Because again, everybody has free will as to what they want to choose for themselves.
Speaker A:But to have that ripple of impact.
Speaker B:Yeah, Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker B:I really believe that leadership is a frequency like all these, you know, and it.
Speaker B:And that's when I speak about planting the seeds is about moving into your world from that frequency or in that frequency and having conversations about it if you feel called to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that in itself is a seed.
Speaker B:You don't have to do that.
Speaker B:Your.
Speaker B:Your frequency will be enough, as you say.
Speaker B:But sometimes just having a conversation can open up that similar frequency in someone else, if it's not already.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:100.
Speaker A:It's not like I'm kind of saying okay at the closet.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I'm spiritual and I'm a leader and I'm here to change the world and I've arrived.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That may not always plan.
Speaker A:I mean, you can do that if you want to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And do what you need.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:And also sometimes it's the simple and subtle ways that actually have the most reviving bad.
Speaker A:The biggest kind of landing around us.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:There was something else coming through.
Speaker A:Hold on a second.
Speaker A:Bear with something that I see as a very intuitive person, as a person who senses and feels and knows energy and frequency before a person open like somebody else will open their mouth or even share a post or whatever it is, whatever form of communication that's happening.
Speaker A:Somebody who really tunes into that first.
Speaker A:What I'm seeing is a dissonance between how a person will show up and like it's the preaching and the teaching, the gap between the preaching and the teaching.
Speaker A:So we can preach about leadership.
Speaker A:And what we're really doing is we're simply teaching.
Speaker A:Now, in my thoughts and in the way that I see this is that when we're preaching something, it's something that we're truly embodied and it's somebody.
Speaker A:Something that.
Speaker A:Who we are, no questions asked.
Speaker A:When we're teaching, it's something that we're saying we are.
Speaker A:And there's a complete disconnect and we're not there's like this tether in the thread.
Speaker A:So I see leadership as this golden thread that weaves into every facet of your life, every relationship, and it's.
Speaker A:It comes back to you, right, Always.
Speaker A:But it's little.
Speaker A:Literally woven into everything that you do, every relationship you have, every environment you go into.
Speaker A:It's something that's just always there.
Speaker A:And when you're teaching, what I see is that there's this.
Speaker A:This tether.
Speaker A:There's almost like this dissonance between who you say you be and who you are behind the facade, or the mask, or whatever you want to call it, the identity, even.
Speaker A:And I'm curious to learn, because this is something that I do with my own clients, is I support them to bridge that gap.
Speaker A:What I'm not saying here is that there's anything wrong in this, all right?
Speaker A:We're not freaking supposed to be perfect in every single moment of every single day.
Speaker A:I mean, we are, okay?
Speaker A:We're all created in divine perfection.
Speaker A:And also we make, you know, all of the things.
Speaker A:What would you say to somebody who is out there doing preaching or teaching, whatever it is, but behind closed doors, they're actually really struggling.
Speaker A:Like, they're on the hot mess express, but on the other side of that, they're actually telling everybody what to do, how to be what they need to shift, you know, the actions they need to be taking, the leadership energy they need to be stepping into.
Speaker A:What would you say to somebody to support them, to bridge that gap, if anything?
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, this is something that I have navigated multiple times, to be honest, you know, teaching, preaching, and not backing it up in myself, shall we say.
Speaker A:And I've been there, too, by the way, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah, we've all.
Speaker A:I think, everyone navigated.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:But what I.
Speaker B:What I finally discovered for myself and what I would potentially say to somebody is, who are you being when nobody's looking?
Speaker B:And that's the thing, because we always know if we are in harmony with the frequency we're trying to put out there.
Speaker B:And it's finding a way for somebody who might be navigating that in a certain way to come back to themselves, come back home, and really take a look at what's going on.
Speaker B:What are.
Speaker B:What are you truly afraid of in that?
Speaker B:What is your mind telling you?
Speaker B:Why are you, you know, holding back from actually being the embodiment of your own work?
Speaker B:Are you letting certain external circumstances of how things should be be a reason to not be in that frequency?
Speaker B:And, you know, shame can be a big reason as I've experienced myself, shame can be a really big reason to not be behind the scenes, shall we say, of who you say you are.
Speaker B:Because life might be funky, things might not be going as planned, but coming back to that frequency of truth, you don't need to declare to the whole Internet that things are not as they should be.
Speaker B:Or could be, I should say, but admitting it to yourself and bringing it back to your God self, or bringing it back to your I am presence and just, okay, this is what's happening, but I'm choosing me.
Speaker B:Capital me, like I'm choosing back and then move from there.
Speaker A:I'm glad.
Speaker A:Well, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm glad with all of what you said, but I'm really.
Speaker A:I love that you said I'm choosing me again and.
Speaker A:And then I'm choosing back.
Speaker A:Like that thing is that you said, who are you being behind when.
Speaker A:Like when no one is looking behind closed doors.
Speaker A:And literally, as you said that, what are you choosing for yourself when no one is looking?
Speaker A:What are you choosing for yourself when no one is looking?
Speaker A:And shame being a catalyst and wanting more for others than you want for yourself.
Speaker A:So where are you choosing to self abandon?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:This, this is a pandemic, in my opinion.
Speaker A:In my humble opinion, is the self abandonment.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not prioritizing our own needs, our own wants, our own, you know, and claiming what it is that we want and choosing ourselves.
Speaker A:This is a real freaking pandemic.
Speaker A:Shame is a freaking insidious bastard.
Speaker A:And it's also not ours.
Speaker A:It's not our truth.
Speaker A:So we get to choose again.
Speaker A:So it comes back to that power of choice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So what are you choosing for yourself when no one is looking?
Speaker A:And if you want to take it deeper.
Speaker A:Yeah, why are you choosing that?
Speaker A:Why are you choosing better for someone else than you're choosing for yourself?
Speaker A:Yeah, please stop that now.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's one of the best choices you'll ever make for yourself.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then you might need to make it a thousand times.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, that's the whole point.
Speaker A:Choose yourself over and over and over and over and keep fucking choosing yourself on rinse and repeat.
Speaker A:We're so conditioned and programmed to think that when we're choosing ourselves, we're being selfish.
Speaker A:And that selfish is wrong and bad, which means that we're wrong and bad.
Speaker A:So it's that whole loop, that shame loop, that judgment loop, that guilt loop.
Speaker A:That's not truth.
Speaker A:It's not ours.
Speaker A:It's not our truth.
Speaker A:This conversation has been magnificent.
Speaker A:Way better than I had Ever imagined.
Speaker A:It was like, literally, John, what are you doing today?
Speaker A:What are you doing today?
Speaker A:Do you want to come on my podcast?
Speaker A:She herself.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's like, whoa.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't think we've really spoken at this depth before, even with all the conversations we've had.
Speaker A:I mean, we've had a lot of deep conversations.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was.
Speaker B:Maybe knowing some others are listening in, in time probably brought it to a new level, potentially.
Speaker A:I think for me, personally, I think we stop ourselves from.
Speaker A:And I'm going to come back to that whole concept of being lonely at the top and feeling it's lonely at the top and just take it from the.
Speaker A:Like, take it off the top and bring it right back down to the here and now.
Speaker A:So many of us don't want to have this level of conversation because we do feel like it's.
Speaker A:There's no one out there that.
Speaker A:That will understand, that will meet us where we are, that will listen and hear what we have to say.
Speaker A:And I, for one, have felt that way.
Speaker A:I felt that way for a very long time.
Speaker A:I felt very isolated.
Speaker A:I felt very alone because I could see and feel and sense things that not everybody around me could, and they couldn't relate to me either.
Speaker A:And so there was a part of me that kind of really, really didn't want to put myself out there.
Speaker A:Really didn't want to connect with people in my environment, especially since moving to Ireland.
Speaker A:It was almost like being reborn again and kind of like, oh, kind of looking around and twitching the curtains out in the wells.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Do I belong here?
Speaker A:Is this where I can kind of let the freak flag fly, really be the truth of my.
Speaker A:Truth of who I am here?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:And so it kind of took almost like, quote, unquote, baby steps to really allow myself to be all of who I am right now and to have this level of conversation and just to let myself be me.
Speaker A:Let myself be all of me and not give a shit about what other people think, think or feel or are going to say or any of those things.
Speaker A:And to literally put down all of the stories and narratives that have told me that it's lonely or that I am in separation or that I don't belong or that I'm not accepted and people don't like me.
Speaker A:And to be honest, like, people don't like me.
Speaker A:Like, people are not going to like you either.
Speaker A:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, we're not supposed to like everyone, but that's the whole point, is that that's A choice as well.
Speaker A:And also, if I hadn't put some of those stories down, you and I would never have met.
Speaker A:And I love our friendship, too.
Speaker A:And I've never had, like, a friend like this before where I've never had.
Speaker A:I mean, I've had clients who've become friends.
Speaker A:You've not been a client, but this is a true friendship meeting.
Speaker A:Like a kindred soul, heart to heart, soul to soul, consciousness to consciousness.
Speaker A:And just allowing ourselves to be all of who we are and not worrying about whether you're going to judge me and put me in a box and label me as an identity.
Speaker A:But it's just magical things can happen when you truly decide to let your guard down, to de.
Speaker A:Armor your heart and allow yourself to be your magnetic self, the truth of who you are, to open your heart and allow yourself to shine.
Speaker A:Because by doing that, I met you.
Speaker A:By doing that, we became really good friends.
Speaker A:By doing that, we laughed and talked about chickens.
Speaker A:That's a story for another time, by the way.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And I have to say, I love our friendship and I love this conversation today.
Speaker A:So thank you for accepting the invitation.
Speaker A:Even though you shoot yourself before you said.
Speaker B:Yeah, I did.
Speaker B:And I really, really value our relationship, too, Sinead.
Speaker B:And, you know, I love you so much, and I'm so grateful that you're in my life.
Speaker B:You've moved me through some big stuff, and great stuff is about to happen, and you're moving with me through that as well.
Speaker A:So shoulder to shoulder, 100.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So how can people find you apart from on the streets of Salt Hill and Galway in the island?
Speaker A:I'll give everyone the air code in a minute.
Speaker A:No, I'm joking.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You can send them to Cali.
Speaker B:The coffee shop.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:You can find me on Facebook under my name, Joanne Burke.
Speaker B:I'm there.
Speaker B:And then I have a new Instagram account called Ignited Soul Living that I'm bringing together.
Speaker B:And I've just joined Threads, so I'm there also under the same name.
Speaker A:Gonna play with that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they're the best places to find me.
Speaker B:I have a YouTube channel, but I'm not sure what its name is, to be honest, but it's linked anyway in those places.
Speaker A:I think it's not sure what your name is anymore either.
Speaker B:That's likely true.
Speaker A:Tell us, what are you.
Speaker A:What are you.
Speaker A:What magnificence are you bringing out into the world right now?
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:Well, thank you.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:I am bringing magnificence out into the world.
Speaker B:It's a group journey that I'm going to bring eight women on where we spend nine weeks together, really delving into the magnificence of self.
Speaker B:And from a place of leadership, personal power, sovereignty, choice, all of these things.
Speaker B:And we go deep into contemplation and conversation.
Speaker B:And its whole purpose is to really ignite the magnificence of self, the magnificence of who you are.
Speaker B:And I'm relaunching, redefined.
Speaker B:It has evolved itself.
Speaker B:It's a one to one offer where we really work together.
Speaker B:So you redefine yourself from the level of your soul and become that ignited soul identity and to move through life from that way.
Speaker A:Beautiful.
Speaker A:I'm really excited, and I'm really, really excited for anyone who finds you, hunts you down and finds you and works with you.
Speaker A:And yes, you will find her in Cali.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker A:And until next time.
